Hm, I am in no way an expert, but...

Nov 18, 2013,14:17 PM
 

I would not dismiss this one so quickly.

I have seen these big indexes and outward minute markers on other 168.025 - even with these hands - in "reputable places". I must admit that I thought the combination of hands and dial a bit odd - as if from two different periods, but now that I see one more and your friend is convinced that his watch is correct, maybe it is a legit reference.

I don't have pictures of the watches I saw, but here is what I could find from a simple google search: 

 



Credit: Arrais at Relogiosmecanicos.com.br (your friend's watch?)

 



Credit: From expired fleabay ad.
 
 

Hope this helps...

Nikolaj

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Omega Constellation again - Helping a stubborn friend ...

 
 By: nilomis : November 16th, 2013-11:56
Team, After his disappointment with a gold Constellation - yes, the dial was redone, the same friend was in my house yesterday to upgrade his cameras firmware and he was wearing a steel Constellation. After the firmware update was done, he told me that hi...  

Clearly a Redial [nt]

 
 By: MSNWatch : November 16th, 2013-12:52

Yes, I know ...

 
 By: nilomis : November 16th, 2013-13:01
But I need a detailed explanation about the points that defined this redial. Cheers, Nilo

Replacement hands, too. The minute markers . . .

 
 By: Dr No : November 16th, 2013-16:08
. . . are a dead giveaway, Nilo. The applied markers also seem odd . . . more like those seen on f300 dials than mechanical C-case Connies. Concerned, Art

Oh boy! ...

 
 By: nilomis : November 16th, 2013-16:11
I knew that it was bad but not that bad. Did you ever saw a Connie with those minute markers? Thank you, Nilo

They look like markers used on f300 Genèves, NIlo . . .

 
 By: Dr No : November 16th, 2013-16:38
. . . but not any pie pan Connies I know of. An image of the inner caseback would help nail this one down.

If it was a conventional case ...

 
 By: nilomis : November 16th, 2013-16:42
But is a mono bloc styled case. Only a watchmaker can open. I go to suggest this to my very sad friend. About the hands, looking to my pics, you are right. They seem to be too short. Thanks, Nilo

I lean towards redial also, but...

 
 By: gatorcpa : November 17th, 2013-11:37
...I'm not 100% convinced it is one. I've seen other dials like that. Fonts look more or less correct. Omega used several different dial styles on this reference, most were not cataloged. Here's mine: Could also be a service dial. A closer examination wou...  

Is your case ...

 
 By: nilomis : November 17th, 2013-12:11
Monobloc or conventional? Did you notice the minute marks, pointing to the outside? Thanks, Nilo

The outward minute markers appear odd . . .

 
 By: Dr No : November 18th, 2013-13:04
. . . as do the applied markers, within the context of Constellation dials. I've seen those markers on f300s, but not on Constellations. (The hands look like genuine Omega replacements, btw, just not correct for this model.)

Hm, I am in no way an expert, but...

 
 By: nikolaj : November 18th, 2013-14:17
I would not dismiss this one so quickly. I have seen these big indexes and outward minute markers on other 168.025 - even with these hands - in "reputable places". I must admit that I thought the combination of hands and dial a bit odd - as if from two di...  

The one you've shown, plus one other . . .

 
 By: Dr No : November 18th, 2013-14:26
. . . that Nilo forwarded to me, show starburst patterns; the one Nilo's friend acquired does not. Also, there's a suspicious bubble in the paint around 11. Now that I've seen examples of what look to be truly original dials with those markers, both appli... 

This is what you call ...

 
 By: nilomis : November 18th, 2013-14:34
A bubble paint? It seems to me more like dirty. "The plot thickens". Cheers, Nilo ...  

Another suspicion quenched! . . .

 
 By: Dr No : November 18th, 2013-15:05
. . . now, we're down to vertical grain vs starburst pattern. Could be that both are correct. Any chance of taking this one to your watchmaker for a closer inspection?

Allow me to add some spicy ...

 
 By: nilomis : November 18th, 2013-15:19
This afternoon I went to my watchmaker to collect (a Zenith, what else?) and we discussed the now famous Constellation of my friend. 1) He and another senior watchmaker of his team are betting that the watch is 100% real. 2) This watch went to a full main... 

Sounds good to me! . . .

 
 By: Dr No : November 18th, 2013-15:39
. . . now, we'll know for sure.

Not the last Constellation pie pan...

 
 By: gatorcpa : November 18th, 2013-19:36
...that title would be reserved for the Ref. 168.0065 from the mid-1970's with cal. 1011: And of course, the new Sedna Constellation: ] I knew I had seen that 168.0025 dial pattern before out on the web. If it has the vertical brushing, it is almost certa...  

"Nilo's" dial does seem to have a more white appearance

 
 By: nikolaj : November 18th, 2013-14:45
In the macro showing the spot on the dial, it seems as if the dial has a vertical brushed finish - like the one gator posted. I agree that the ones I could find pictures of display the sunburst pattern. Nikolaj

Another data point ...

 
 By: nilomis : November 18th, 2013-14:50
My friend's watch was acquired by him more than 20 years ago, if this helps. Cheers, Nilo

It's real!!!

 
 By: nilomis : November 23rd, 2013-06:15
Today we went to our watchmaker and cracked the case open. It's real. Lost a bet. A quid but I'm happy because my friend is happy. Took many pictures that I go to post as soon I return from a party. Cheers, Nilo