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Question: re "Scientific Dial" 30t2rg Chronometre w sub second
The dial that I have a question about is the awesome, complex cross-hair style dial (Omega commemorated that syle dial a few years back). I refer to that style dial as a "scientific dial." I am specifically asking about the sub-second model. On several of these I've seen the outer minute track divided into fifths of a minute. This makes no sense to me. An outer track with that level of calibration makes sense for a sweep second model. A fastidious watch manufacturer such as Omega wouldn't so calibrate that track on a sub-second model. As a result, i suspect that sub-second dials with that calibration are repros.
What do you think?
Bob
Question: re "Scientific Dial" 30t2rg Chronometre w sub second
The dial that I have a question about is the awesome, complex cross-hair style dial (Omega commemorated that syle dial a few years back). I refer to that style dial as a "scientific dial." I am specifically asking about the sub-second model. On several of...
Disagree...
have seen vintage subseconds models done this way which I am sure are the real deal. Also, my 1894 homage piece has this in the dial which would make it reasonable to assume that at least some of the vintage scientific dials were rendered in this fashion....
Ok, but....
The calibration makes little sense. It breaks the minute into 12 second increments. Huh!? For what purpose? It has a properly calibrated sub-second bit. It may have been done for aesthetics (including keeping the look of the sweep dial), but on a technica...
Hi Bob, it does not make...
Hi Bob, it does not make sense to make an "outer" 1/5th seconds track on a sub seconds dial if you take it under "technical sight" only! It is for esthetical reason only... and it looks really beautiful - don´t you agree? I think nobody claimed this typ...
Ok, a fair argument but
where a perfect, technical dial contains a purely superfluous element, for aesthetic purposes I think it compromises the dial's elegance. However, as we all know: beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Bob
Your right Bob...
Hi Bob Your right , about "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder." I love the "Scientific" Dial chronometre... I have a few different examples in my collection. I guess the Sweep second version is the perfect example ... and the sub seconds is the comprom...
Nicely put- A request
Bill Please post pictures of these two watches. I have never seen these masterpieces in person and for "real." Thanks, Bob
Two-Toned opposed to Scientific may be a more accurate description..
A Waterproof variant (please forgive the hand vandal)...
This type of choice was made by other manufacturers as well...
by which I mean the choice to emphasize aesthetics over "perfect" function. For example, take the iconic ref. 866 Ingenieurs made by IWC in the '60's and '70's. A classic, purpose-built watch: highly antimagnetic, terrific cal 854 movement, no nonsense, e...
Humbly Disagree, to an extent
The features of a watch which comports itself as technical should be technically designed. And many of these designs, although well intentioned, are naive and they often miss the mark in their utility but we love them anyway. Chronograhs are hardly ever u...
Well...
to begin with, it's rather difficult to imagine that IWC somehow believed that incorporating a paddle-head second hand would improve timing accuracy on the part of the user. I happen to like it, and it certainly benefits those with less than perfect eyesi...
and here is conclusive proof...
I don't recall where I found this image originally, but it is of a vintage catalogue, and the watch on the left definitely has a second track (I've inspected it under magnification). So Omega did, in some cases, choose to include outer second tracks on di...
Also...
On page 185 of the Omega reference a Journey Through Time is pictured a 30T2Rg watch with the accentuated 5 minute markings.
I am pretty sure...
Hi Tony, I am pretty sure that all 3 dials in your links are re-dials! I know this type of dial very well as I have done a lot of research over the last 15 years. kind regards Erich
Them are fighting words! =) How about these?
Hi Erich, Long time lurker here, this is my first post. Have always enjoyed reading the knowledgeable and informative posts here. How about these, which ones in your opinion are redials? Advance apologies to the pic's owners for not asking your permission...
Well, that went well
Take two - Hi Erich, Long time lurker here, this is my first post. Have always enjoyed the knowledgeable posts here. How about these, which one in your opinion are redials? Hopefully, the pic's owners won't mind. Regards, B 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13...
OK, I'll play!
In looking at all of your pictures I was able to notice that the roman numerals should extend slightly over the silver/gilded strip on both the top and bottom. Also, there is only one dial that says "Swiss" rather than "Swiss Made" under the "6". My guess...
Here is a closeup of # 4.... with crystal removed.
Hi here is a close up for you... Good Hunting Bill Sohne...
Redials – every single one of 'em...
and Bill, that was especially clever of you to 'distress' your recent redial so that the gullible masses would take it as original. ;>)`
If I'm allowed to add a correction.....
Hi, those are all later production dials (i.e. not even the base dial sheet is "original"). The entire process to achieve the satin/duo-tone effect is completely different from the original dials - both in style and execution. If I find some time I'll try...
"Bingo Mr. SuitbertW" [nt]
No message body This message has been edited by C.vallely5 on 2009-04-22 09:01:08
Now this is getting interesting
Out of the 16 watches I posted, I had 7 that I felt were original, with the rest as latter production dials. Note also that that the PG w/ subdial on pic 1 is from the Omega Museum and is featured in 'Journey in Time'. The description states, if I remembe...
Interesting, but...
Suitbert, I don't doubt your assessment that most, if not all of the shiny, new-looking examples on this thread are "later production" dials. However, I posted a very early (probably late '40's) Omega catalogue page that clearly shows an early example of ...
I cant speak for the other watches posted with 100%.. but I can say...
Hi Suitbert I can say the dial on my 33mm 30T2SCRg is original. One of your comments about the dial blank holds true for the german made dials. A tale tail is the dial blank if you look closely at my watch with the crystal removed, the end of the dial is ...
Your Welcome, this is what The Omega forum here at PuristSPro is about !!
Hi B These types of topics about watches that are 50 plus years old are some of the most interesting things to come across. The PuristSPro community is a place where these types of "conversations" can bloom.... and everyone learns ... Good Hunting Bill So...
The one in the first AD is...
Hi Bill, great dials you show here! IMO you might have overlooked that the dial in your first shown AD is also "twotone" - the area of the seconds track seems to be in a different "brushing"- causing the twotone effect. kind regards Eric...
I am late, sorry...
Hello again, sorry that I am so late with my response - time difference here in Europe - and a lot of work today... I have examined your pictures and I have come to the following conclusion: IMHO #2 and #4 are original. Most of the others are "later pro...
Good point, Erich...
I'd imagine that the ones that lack patination are, as you suggest, to good to be true. I'd still be interested to see what else Suitbert might have to offer.
Hello TonyC......
"However, I posted a very early (probably late '40's) Omega catalogue page that clearly shows an early example of an original dial" Why does the pic you posted clearly show the dial is original, did Omega illustrate pre-used watches in thier catalogues ba...
Catalogue...
Hi Catherine, I'm not claiming that the scan is direct from an Omega catalogue, as I don't know that to be the case. It may well be a scan which was published in a collector's book of some sort. Having said that, it is quite clear that the question which ...
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I'm not claiming that the scan is direct from an Omega catalogue, as I don't know that to be the case. It may well be a scan which was published in a collector's book of some sort. Having said that, it is quite clear that the question which began this thr...
colored fish
the original poster was clearly questioning whether or not Omega ever produced sub-second dials with outer second tracks. Given that Bill has clearly shown an original that fits that description, and that Omega has one on display in its museum, I'd say th...
Thank you, Erich for the reply
Always appreciate inputs from an experienced eye. Though I find it hard to believe that the PG w/ LARGE subseconds on Pic 1 to have a replacement dial...with it being proudly displayed in the museum & featured in pg. 187 of 'Journey' ( correction -10,000,...
Yesss....
Hi B., Yes, you are right! But in the first picture you posted there was a SS watch shown on the left side and the watch on the right side was totally not clear, so I did not recognize it to be of any importance - I thought you mean the one on the left! ...
Exactly
Hi Erich, I have spotted quite a number of redials in 'Journey' and the 'Omegamania' catalogue. Same thing for the pics in the omega.ch vintage database and scans of the museum's watches found in the web. As far as books are concerned, I find 'Omega Watch...
I knew #13 looked familiar!
I took that pic probably 6 years ago. Here's the outdoor/summertime version:...
