If I can add a little bit to this discussion...

Mar 30, 2013,15:29 PM
 

Hi all, I too had been looking at this cal. 321 Speedy for sale and must say I'm surprised that more here are not familiar with the ledgend of this reference of red handed Speedmaster. So let me begin by saying none of the "evidence" I'm about to produce is definative, however if definative evidence existed then the fun would be taken out of the detective work of our hobby. All I will assert is that the rumor of the red handed Speedmaster variant has been linked with 1967 and the Japan market for some time.

First point is that Charles Tearle, the ex-Bonhams now Antiquorum watch auctioneer and TV's Antiques Roadshow resident US watch expert was interviewed in the April 2010 issue of WatchTime. In the text the article reads "Among his everyday watches is a Rolex Submariner given to him by George Somlo, and he has recently been sporting a Rolex 6263 Daytona and a rear Omega Speedmaster model with an orange chronograph hand." There is a photo of Tearle inspecting some vintage watches and laying on the green table is a Speedmaster (top left cornere no strap) with the red chronograph hand.

Pleas excuse the dodgy photography but I will try and show this evidence below. The text here can be seen here:



The pic with all the watches:



A close up of the top left corner Speedmaster:



As I said, in and of itself, this not definative however if you are a fan of early anime, or pre-anime live action Japanese Sci-Fi then you will know of the special place the Speedmaster holds in the 1960's TV show Ultra Seven and Ultraman. If not Google "Speedmaster Ultraman" for a fantastic post over on Time Zone by member Action Dan. The following screen shot courtesy of Action Dan is from "The return of Ultraman" which screened April 1971 to March 1972 but was the continuation of the earlier shows from 67 and 69 so the costumes could have been drawn from anywhere in the period 67-71.



Clearly the red chronograph hand 321 in question can be seen in this pic. Now none of this proves the authenticity of the Speedmaster for sale inthe OP but it does in my mind prove that such a reference did exist in the late 60's.

I hope this is of some interest.

Regards,

Zac


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Worth my time, efforts and money???

 
 By: MikiJ : March 28th, 2013-13:43
I may have found an Omega Speedmaster made for the South African and Italian Markets from 1968 - 1972. I believe the Ref. #'s are ST 105.012 / ST 145.012. If this is real: is it worth pursuing? Thanx, Miki ...  

Lookspromising...

 
 By: p_savage6 : March 29th, 2013-03:34
Hi Miki Certainly interesting, so would depend on the price being offered. Obviously, the chrono second hand is wrong, and I presume the hour hand is underneath the minute hand, but has applied logo, amazing condition dot over 90 bezel (has this been repl... 

Waiting for scans...

 
 By: MikiJ : March 29th, 2013-08:30
I requested scans of the case-back, in & out, and the movement. So far, no cigar. Believe it or not the second/chronograph hand appears to be correct. At least to these "old eyes". Thanx, Miki

As far I remember ...

 
 By: nilomis : March 29th, 2013-04:20
The "Apollo" Speedmaster was made for the markets that you mentioned (South Africa and Italy) using a white dial and a red seconds hand and is very rare. Let's wait for the experts advise. Cheers, Nilo

a quote courtesy of Marco Richon taken from Chuck Maddox's site

 
 By: G99 : March 29th, 2013-09:25
321. ST 145.012. Special version with white dial, "Apollo" hands and 5-60 on bezel for certain markets (Italy, South Africa etc.) i'm afraid Miki, that the white dial is the only one listed as a special edition during 68-72 so this example looks to be inc... 

Thanx for sharing...

 
 By: MikiJ : March 29th, 2013-09:50
I believe the model you mentioned would be Ref. #3570.40. That being said I love the idea of wearing a speedmaster and have worn a few. The reality of the matter is that I can no longer read their dials. However that doesn't stop me from maybe another one... 

Nope, its the ST 145.012,...

 
 By: G99 : March 29th, 2013-15:05
Nope, its the ST 145.012, but with a different dial. G On 29 Mar 2013 17:50, "www watchprosite" *Alert from:* www:watchprosite > *Posted By:* MikiJ (registered) on March 29th, 2013 - 09:50 > > *Title: Thanx for sharing... > * > > *

With all due respect...

 
 By: MikiJ : March 29th, 2013-17:45
I was referring to the Japanese Version (3570.40) you recommended. Regardless, I agree that a "pass" is in order. Thanx-again, Miki

sorry Miki, i misunderstood you.

 
 By: G99 : March 30th, 2013-08:47
best Graham

Maybe on one, but not on the other...

 
 By: MikiJ : March 30th, 2013-09:26
Just received the scans I requested. The case-back says "ST 145.012 - 67SP". Sad truth is that I would be foolish to pursue this watch. However if any of my fellow PuristS have interest, let me know. I have no issues in sharing especially the really good ... 

There is some internet scuttlebut . . .

 
 By: Dr No : March 29th, 2013-10:39
. . . about these orange hand Speedies, Graham, and one appeared in Omegamania (Lot 15), albeit with a full complement of orange chronograph hands. Miki might well be onto something unusual, but without an extract from Omega, it would be impossible to asc... 

The problem is that Omegamania...

 
 By: G99 : March 29th, 2013-15:08
The problem is that Omegamania was a bit of a sham and some pieces were incorrect even though they were described as correct by omega so we will possibly never know without an extract. We have to bear in mind the mkII orange hand will fit the 861 on the s... 

If I can add a little bit to this discussion...

 
 By: flightmaster71 : March 30th, 2013-15:29
Hi all, I too had been looking at this cal. 321 Speedy for sale and must say I'm surprised that more here are not familiar with the ledgend of this reference of red handed Speedmaster. So let me begin by saying none of the "evidence" I'm about to produce ...  

Thanks for that Zac. Interesting...

 
 By: G99 : March 30th, 2013-16:10
Thanks for that Zac. Interesting info which just goes to show that when it comes to vintage omegas you should never say never. I would be wanting an extract stating it was a japanese market watch before i parted with money for one as the red mkII hand is ... 

Grazi, Zac. I had dim memories . . .

 
 By: Dr No : March 31st, 2013-11:49
. . . of red or orange hand limited or special editions in the fog of on-line postings from years back, but there's not much definitive info on these models. The problem with the sample posted by Miki lies in establishing a clear link to the colored chron...