your criticisms are way way overstated

Sep 17, 2010,12:07 PM
 

Let me respond in the order you wrote.

1) The first criticism relating to size fails to hit the mark in a number of ways. Most importantly, the iconic speedmaster, i.e. the moon watch, is unchanged and is still at the traditional size of 42mm. Your remark about trending in the opposite direction is misguided too. Omega will never decrease the size of the classic moon watch either. The speedmaster professional is a classic, meaning it will not change. You complain about 44.25mm and yet you went ahead and bought an even bigger 45 PO when, lol, a 42mm version was available. I think your criticism about size is confused and is confusing and misses the mark entirely. Personally, I can't see your point either because I enjoy wearing my 40mm Daytona as much as I do my 44mm Aqua Terra.

The classic moon watch is its own category within the speedmaster range, as indeed is the broad arrow. You know, they are different models. To criticise one model against the other is plainly mistaken because the 'beehive' broadarrow sits just fine within the broad arrow category, just as the moon watch sits in the different category of professional. In summary, you failed to compare like for like and have confused apples with oranges. The broad arrow is meant for a different demographic. It's meant for people with a contemporary taste in larger watches. This is entirely legitimate. However, and this is the important point, that in no way affects the classic speedmaster professional. It changes absolutely nothing. Because of this, it also reduces your criticisms to absolute nothing as well. Speaking more strictly, your argument is both redundant and unnecessary.

2) The 8500/8520/8601 is available in a lot of different watches, for example, in the mighty Proplof, the versatile Aqua Terra and that wonder of wonders, the Hour Vision. Omega haven't forgotten about the ladies either and have given them the absolutely stunning cal 8521 with Si 14 spring. It's obvious that the enormous effort Omega put in for the ladies is entirely lost on you. Together, this already amounts to a reasonable range of watches. You are also assuming too much as well because not everyone can afford those watches for themselves let alone an additional one for their partner (Lol, I exclude myself from this!). I also question the personal value of this criticism with respect to yourself. What is it to you anyway if Omega doesn't put an 8500 in everything because you'll not get an 8500 Omega regardless. These 8500 watches will most certainly, I fear, be beyond that affordabilty thresh hold that you so fondly speak of. I think this will be even more true of the 9300 that will rock the horological world next year. Never mind, there is always something affordable for you from, say, fossil.

3) Geneva waves are not busy, it's as simple as that. I also can't see what's problematic about combining that with the 'beehive' subdials. It's different alright and kind of interesting in many ways. You fail to notice that the design is meant to display a bold character set in strong relief.  In this, the design is entirely successful. The design is not confusing because one can clearly see the time, the date, all the hands, and subdials. All the minute and hour markers are clearly set out. What's even worse for your criticism is that the design is the classic tri compax layout. Tri compax is a classic and logical layout that's used by the moon watch and Daytona, the two all time classic sport chronographs. The other advantage of the tri compax layout is the CLARITY of the design which precisely avoids any chance of confusion. There is just nothing to your claim that the design is confused except its shallowness.  However, your next claim about the design being contradictory is obviously plainly confused. It's like saying that a square contradicts a circle. Does a dog contradict a cat? A male, a female? Does a wave pattern contradict a honeycomb pattern? NO! NO! NO! 

4) God only knows what you mean by not being a fan of the broad arrow hour and minute markers!!!!!!! What is wrong with them. Can anyone else tell me? Lol, is this one of your 'contradictions'? It might well be. Whatever you were trying to say, it's best put aside and forgotten about. You can save that one for a rainy day.

Well, the moon watch was never broken in the first place and so never needed fixing either. It has remained unchanged. This simple fact  makes everyone of your criticisms pointless. The broad arrow is a different watch, intented for a different demographic. You have overlooked the fact that not everyone wants a classic moon watch and yet they may still want a speedmaster, one that is more contemporary looking and horologically up to date. You know, just like the broad arrow you were looking at!!!!!!

Finally the broad arrow design was the first and original column wheel speedmaster. Lol, how can the broad arrow be a 'mess' when it is in fact the original classic speedmaster. That is what you're arguing about aren't you? It's the original 60yr old design. You ask how can it have that appellation. Well that's what it actually was!!!!!!

This message has been edited by Pistol Pete on 2010-09-17 12:19:20


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The OMEGA Speedmaster Broad Arrow Co-Axial

 
 By: Kong : September 15th, 2010-22:43
When OMEGA created the first Speedmaster in 1957, no one could have imagined what adventures lay in store for the watch that would become the world’s most famous chronograph. The new Speedmaster Broad Arrow Co-Axial collection introduces some stylish addi...  

i love that dial with the honeycomb sub dials.

 
 By: G99 : September 16th, 2010-09:23
apart from that though, its not much different from any other broad arrow. Omega, please give us more innovation, you know you want too graham

he he, had the same thought :-)

 
 By: hans_jorgen_1968 : September 16th, 2010-12:55
But I love the subdials and the vertical lines.. yummie Cheers Hans

Disappointing

 
 By: db darien : September 16th, 2010-13:32
Although I am a past owner of Omega (on five occasions) and generally admired the brand (particularly for its ability to bring horological innovation to us affordably), this model disappoints me on several levels: At 44.25 mm, this watch is a bit too big ... 

hey DB, we dont like...

 
 By: G99 : September 16th, 2010-13:38
hey DB, we dont like this speedy, but you NEED an Omega in your collection. its in the rules best Graham...  

On that we completely agree!! [nt]

 
 By: db darien : September 16th, 2010-13:40
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Agreed in large measure . . .

 
 By: Dr No : September 17th, 2010-08:38
. . . regarding the aesthetics of this particular model. The sizing isn't to my taste, but it's not objectionable, either. Here are two Speedmasters in the identical case with the same movement as the featured Broad Arrow . . . . . . and a third variation...  

your criticisms are way way overstated

 
 By: Pistol Pete : September 17th, 2010-12:07
Let me respond in the order you wrote. 1) The first criticism relating to size fails to hit the mark in a number of ways. Most importantly, the iconic speedmaster, i.e. the moon watch, is unchanged and is still at the traditional size of 42mm. Your remark... 

Pete, why do you always...

 
 By: G99 : September 17th, 2010-12:28
Pete, why do you always insist on forcing your opinion on others and belittling others opinions. this forum allows freedom of speech (as long as it is polite) even if what the person says doesnt make sense to others. if someone types something that contra... 

Well Bowled Graham

 
 By: mondodec : September 18th, 2010-03:56
A straight, honest ball delivered right down the middle of the stumps. No-one should be attacked for offering a personal opinion, and I note that DBD delivered his in a way that took personal ownership of his points and allowed that others may think diffe... 

Not very Nice!!!!

 
 By: big daddy : September 17th, 2010-15:04
You must have been having a bad day but it is entirely unacceptable to demean or criticize one's opinion about a watch! I do not agree with everyone's opinion and I am sure all do not agree with mine but I like to read how people perceive different manufa... 

Pete AND EVERYONE please read.

 
 By: Bill Sohne : September 17th, 2010-20:05
HI Pete... Well let me just say it simply . Do not post on my forum anymore. You are not welcome here . Regards Bill Sohne PS .... No need to PM me either.

thanks Bill.   i apologise...

 
 By: G99 : September 18th, 2010-01:49
thanks Bill. i apologise to anyone, except Pete, who may have been offended by my response to him. i am normally extremely polite, but sometimes these things need to be said for the good of the forum in general. best regards from one of your polite member... 

You are so right...

 
 By: hans_jorgen_1968 : September 18th, 2010-15:06
.....you are probably one of the nicest and most polite people I have ever come across. What you wrote was correct and to the point. But also to the point so it finally should be understood. I have to admit. I have been "attacked" a few times on this foru... 

Thanks and Well-Done

 
 By: db darien : September 19th, 2010-13:33
As one of the (evidently many) wronged parties, I thought it best to stay out of the fray and let the process work itself through. And it has. Thanks to all (especially Bill and Graham) for dealing with this matter in a forthright and appropriate manner. ... 

broard arrow

 
 By: jordangbj : October 11th, 2010-13:01
got as far as your number 3 and wondered why you need to be so offensive to the op?

Jordan, if your referring to...

 
 By: G99 : October 11th, 2010-13:05
Jordan, if your referring to pistol pete dont worry as he no longer has posting privileges on the forum. regards Graham

pistol pete

 
 By: jordangbj : October 11th, 2010-13:11
thanks graham. ive been awol for a while.

The dial's neclassicism follows the current fashion ....

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : September 18th, 2010-04:05
... by adding always more design elements, more frames, more stripes, more facets, more geometric shapes, more surface treatments, following the ornamental dogma of "more is better". This was the case already with the De Ville "Hour Vision", the new AquaT...  

Honeycomb subdials, YES...

 
 By: dxboon : September 17th, 2010-00:47
...the other aesthetic choices on this piece (large case dimension, Geneva waves dial, broad arrow hands), er, not so much. Why does this watch need to be so large? Not Omega's best effort IMO. Cheers, Daos

I dunno...

 
 By: mrsnak : September 17th, 2010-08:16
The original is so iconic. This is such a deviation.