if you remember Chuck Maddox, you should remember his posts about the 33xx

May 01, 2011,00:46 AM
 

Sorry for my late response, but better late than never if you read the chuck maddox's watch weblog and from his posts onseveral forums, you could and can read the numerous number of cases where the 33xx failed. Also knowing that the 33xx has known three variants in less than 10 years of production is not reassuring. For your information, I have done a lot of research on the piguet subject because I know some highly qualified master watchers who used to repair these watches as well as the 1185 used in the blancpain chronos. Despite a lepine construction for the 1285 instead of a savonette construction for 1185, some parts are stamped and the thickness of these parts is relatively thin compared to a zenith ep 400 or a rolex 4130, also the fact that it has one screw retaining the rotor and not three screw with a complete ball beating winding system makes the winding less efficient and more prone to unscrewing in case of intense activities. Also a well known problem was the resetting chronograph breakage. Chuck used to call the 33xx "a hangar queen" movement because it didn't and doesn't offer the same level of robustness than a 321, 861, 1040 or 1045 movements.

I have always had more faith in Chuck's objectivity and sense of constructive criticism than the claims of a marketing department.

best regards

georges 

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Baselworld 2011: The big PuristSPro report --- Omega

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : April 18th, 2011-04:53
Basel 2011 Novelty report Omega by Marcus Hanke Finally, the long expected new chronograph movement was presented this year. In fact, it is rather a movement family, currently consisting of two variants, cal. 9300 and 9301, the difference between these tw...  

Thank you for this technical review of these novelties

 
 By: Mark in Paris : April 18th, 2011-06:39
I was wondering what were the pros and cons of the new movement. It was a good overview ! Cheers, Mark

You've probably guessed my favorite Omega novelty, Marcus . . .

 
 By: Dr No : April 18th, 2011-06:46
g . . . and by a large margin, too. Thanks not only for bringing us these photos, but for your perspective as well. Cordially, Art...  

It appears, dear Art, you have to fight for that Seamaster ....

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : April 18th, 2011-10:01
... I have rarely seen such an unanimous preference! My favourite is the PO Liquidmetal chronograph, due to its great finish and wonderful legibility of the chronograph function. Regards, Marcus

If there's to be another watch . . .

 
 By: Dr No : April 18th, 2011-10:08
. . . on the horizon for me, Marcus, it's got to be the 130th Anniversary Grand Seiko. Smitten, Art

For that one, you have to wage war, Art ....

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : April 18th, 2011-10:11
... fighting for one of the 1948 Seamsters could be easier. Regards, Marcus

Where my heart is taken . . .

 
 By: Dr No : April 18th, 2011-10:13
. . . my wallet follows ;-) . . .

well here are my two cents

 
 By: georgeszaslavsky : April 18th, 2011-11:56
The 33xx piguet based movement has known troubles through all its life and despite three versions, it is far to match the breitling b01, rolex 4030, rolex 4130 and zenith el primero 410 in terms of reliability and durability. The 9300 is soemthing new, of... 

Sorry, but I consider the unreliability issue of the predecessors to be a myth ...

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : April 19th, 2011-01:22
... that, once born, continued to be told and retold, primarily online. It started already with the Piguet 1185: Everybody "knew" it was a delicate movement destroyed already by the first rough bump. And yet those people responsible for the after sales se... 

if you remember Chuck Maddox, you should remember his posts about the 33xx

 
 By: georgeszaslavsky : May 1st, 2011-00:46
Sorry for my late response, but better late than never if you read the chuck maddox's watch weblog and from his posts onseveral forums, you could and can read the numerous number of cases where the 33xx failed. Also knowing that the 33xx has known three v... 

Great reporting...

 
 By: ocwatching : April 18th, 2011-07:50
and great photos. The LM POs are pretty nice. Thank you!

Thanks, but...

 
 By: peitron : April 18th, 2011-07:52
Thank you! Wonderful review and great pictures. PS. The picture listed under the Seamaster comments (removal of wave dial) are of the Planet Ocean model (which never had wave dial) instead of the Professional 300M model. Would be great to se actual close ... 

Seamaster Chronometer for the London Olympic Games, for me.

 
 By: amanico : April 18th, 2011-07:55
First of all, thanks a lot for such a brilliant report, Marcus. Not a lot of stuff for me, in these Omega 2011 novelties, but I must admit that I have a soft spot for this Seamaster Chronometer. Timeless design, good proportions ( by the way, how Omega ca... 

Judging by your photos...

 
 By: mrsnak : April 18th, 2011-16:39
...it looks like they really reworked the AR coating on the Planet Ocean. I don't see any blue cast. Does the PO ceramic bezel really look that close to the stamped metal? You have a couple labeled as ceramic that look very much the like the metal.

You made me uncertain ...

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : April 19th, 2011-01:26
I only know of the new PO chronograph (black) to have a ceramic bezel, but do not recall having heard the same about the three hands PO. Indeed, the pictures of the latter appear to show a conventional metal insert. The problem was, I only had 30 minutes ... 

Excellent report!..and a query?

 
 By: mondodec : April 18th, 2011-17:16
Congratulations Marcus on an excellent report. A couple of queries. Did they inform at Baselworld that the beat rate of the 9300 series had been raised to 28,800? Also is the depth of the movement 7.6mm? Cheers desmond

I think it is 28,800 bph ...

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : April 19th, 2011-01:28
Unfortunately, the material distributed to the press did not include a detail specification list of the new movements. Regards, Marcus

A terrific and clarifying recap of this year's innovations.

 
 By: Ruckdee : April 18th, 2011-17:29
I don't think we can thank you enough for these insights into what is coming to the stores in the next months. I personally like the practicality of combined hour and minute totalizers. But same as you I fear the subdials on the new Speedmaster appear too... 

Thanks for your kind comments ...

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : April 19th, 2011-01:32
... the new Speedmaster is definitely a watch that has to be tried out in person. It is a reason to visit the authorized dealer, instead of ordering it unseen via the web. While I think the new combined counter subdial is a great enhancement of chronograp... 

Your thoughts resemble mine.

 
 By: Ruckdee : April 19th, 2011-02:48
Moonwatch with two subdials looks a bit odd to me whereas the Planet Ocean Chronograph is relatively new and its original design had yet to be imprinted in my memory as an icon not to be altered. I'm positive for the new PO Chronograph. I like everything ... 

Time to come back to Omega.

 
 By: MichaelC : April 19th, 2011-06:16
Years ago I tried a Seamaster chrono for a while, but it did not last. The new Seamaster Liquidmetal in blue is striking. I want one. Marcus, thank you for this report. I know you are with heavy heart right now. Me too my friend. God Bless.

Marcus, a big thank you.... after reading I felt like I was almost there !

 
 By: Bill Sohne : April 19th, 2011-21:06
Hi Marcus Thanks for taking the time and the photos !!! I am with Art , you gota love the London Seamaster ! Good Hunting Bill Sohne

thanks Marcus. the best review from my favourite brand

 
 By: G99 : April 20th, 2011-11:36
i really like the new chronograph movement. it appeals to me big time, but i must resist the olympic piece is growing on me the more i look at it and you never know... thanks again Marcus Graham

love that commemorative 2012 olympic edition!

 
 By: playtime : April 20th, 2011-14:46
thx for sharing J

cal. 9300 - continuous or jumping minutes counter?

 
 By: MikeH : April 20th, 2011-19:45
Does anybody know if the cal. 9300 minute counter jumps between minute indications or is it continuous (moves in the same manner as the time minute hand ) ? Alignment of the jumps on both c. 1861 and c. 33xx can be an issue. With 60 instead of 30 minute d... 

Sorry, I did not check that -nt

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : April 25th, 2011-12:22
nt

Brilliant report...

 
 By: hans_jorgen_1968 : April 24th, 2011-14:49
... I believe all have been said from the other guys, so I will only mention that it is a .. BRILLIANT REPORT Best Hans

Marcus, this is a marvelous report

 
 By: Karloff_AG : April 25th, 2011-12:52
...and I am very exited about the 9300 caliber, first I was very tempted on the Speedmaster but after see the Blue PO, I will go for this one and as well for the Apollo 15 and the Seamaster, so I start to put the cents on my wallet . Regarding all the not...